ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for July 27, 2013

Although this is not a new development in the US, the fact that a city the size of Detroit has declared bankruptcy makes this new development an interesting one. What makes this interesting is (not only the size of the city) the fact that Detroit stood as a symbol of hard work, the auto industry and the rise of the middle class in the 50's-60's. People will note the obvious decline in the state of the city since then: the population dropping from ~1.8million to the present day ~700,000 people, and the otherwise lackluster state of the economy (when the plants left). However this is a turning point in the Economic Downturn that Obama's office has stated they are keeping an eye on. My question for the Zeta's with regard to the 8 of 10 sociological changes is this: They have mentioned in previous Zetatalk that bartering, protests and people walking out of government paid jobs (like the police) will be ramping up in this time. Would they be able to give an update as to what the significance of this development is heading into the 8 of 10 changes? And is this just one of many domino's that is setting up a bigger chain reaction for other cities this size to do the same? [and from another] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/18/detroit-isnt-alone-the-u-s-cities-that-have-gone-bankrupt-in-one-map/  On Thursday, the city of Detroit filed for bankruptcy protection after being saddled with debts totaling more than $18.5 billion. That makes Detroit the largest city in the United States ever to file for bankruptcy — the previous record was held by Stockton, California, which was half the size and owed $26 million. The previous debt record, meanwhile, went to Jefferson County, Alabama, which owed $4 billion when it filed for bankruptcy in 2011. [and from another] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10190640/Motor-City-Detroit-files-for-bankruptcy-with-100000-creditors.htm  The list of those owed includes the names of all of the city’s active employees and its retirees, a list of properties that have tax claims with the city, numerous bondholders, business creditors and companies that insured Detroit debt. The largest creditor is the city's general pension scheme, which is owed $2 billion. An estimated 78,000 homes are unoccupied in the city, and in 2011 half of the occupiers of the city's 305,000 properties did not pay any tax.

Bankruptcy is not uncommon, and will explode exponentially as the Earth changes affect commerce via rail or boat, crop production and the availability of raw resources, fuel availability and distribution, and confidence that investments are secure. Where the world has been in an economic depression for most of the last decade, it will plunge further. We have mentioned that all treaties will eventually be broken, and certainly all corporate contracts will be ignored. All paper money will eventually be considered worthless, and anything like stocks and bonds will not be worth the paper they are printed on. Artwork and jewelry will not hold any value either, in the Aftertime.

But what of the interim? During the cycle downward, the rich will secure assets such as foreclosed homes, forced to sale by the poor. What might the rich snap up? Farm lands have long been consolidated into corporate farms. Real estate in all its many forms, including foreclosed homes that can be used to house a new slave class, will be included. As the Earth changes create earthquake damage in cities, the ranks of the homeless will increase beyond the ability of governments and social services to care for them. Slave camps will posture themselves at first as a rescue mission. Once you take advantage of the free housing, your obligations will be explained to you. What assets would a city such as Detroit hold that the wealthy might desire? Bridges can become toll roads. Nature preserves can become estates for the wealthy. But all this, in the scheme of things, is only temporary. 

Wellington in New Zealand had a very shaky weekend starting with a magnitude 5.7 on Friday afternoon, followed by a 5.9 on Saturday morning then a big jolt of 6.5 lasted for about a minute(originally recorded at 6.9 then it got downgraded to 6.5). The offical has been quick to say that this quake has nothing to do with the fault line which I don't believe. This is a different kind of shake (slow rolling) than the one in Christchurch (sharp jolt)had back in 2011 that killed around 185 people. The magnitude recorded was bigger but the damages were not as bad and it's definitely a shock to everyone involved. Damages include power cuts, landslides, houses and buildings damaged, land cracks, sinking floors in buildings, broken pipes, floods, sinkholes developed, cracked windows, etc. The whole Wellington CBD has been told to stay away so that offical can check all buildings for damage assessments and there should be more news coming out today. The 6.5 quake has been felt as far as South Auckland which is about 700 to 800 km away. Many Wellington people are now scared and it was a sleepless night so many because they continue to have aftershocks. The experts say there is a 30% chance of having another big one. This is my first reality check because I was right there and i felt both 5.9 and the 6.5. My question to zetas: I understand the metal boxes have been placed along all the major fault lines around the world. Does it include New Zealand? If New Zealand has been assisted in this regard, what would the true magnitude be of this earthquake and could we expect much bigger damages than what actually happened? Is this a wake up call for everyone? Geonet had a report two months ago saying Wellington has been having silent earthquake of magnitude 7 since January 2013 centred to the west of the capital and is 40km deep, and has been rolling all year. "This Kapiti slow-slip event is affecting an area spanning over 100km from Levin to the Marlborough Sounds,". GeoNet's GPS instruments in Wellington and Kapiti show that the Pacific and Australian tectonic plates were slipping past each other more rapidly than usual. I gather that this 6.5 quake is related to this except it has gone from quiet to a big jolt. What stages are we currently at in terms of the 7 out of 10 scenario Indo-Australian plate rising and tilting? I have seen quakes have started happening in Australia too. [and from another] http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10901290
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10886581

Unabated and allowed to proceed as nature intended, the 7 of 10 plate movements would have completed already, with the force and fury that we originally predicted. When the humming boxes made their appearance in February 2012 they revealed the mechanism for a slowed pace, which the Council of Worlds had decreed as Obama and others were contemplating admitting the presence of Planet X.  As we have detailed, the 8 of 10 phase is being allowed to proceed, so an overlap has occurred. Planet X was moved to the right to assist in softening the 7 of 10 plate movements, though this caused the greater visibility of the Planet X complex and stronger Earth wobble of the 8 of 10 to appear earlier than expected.

We have explained that softening the 7 of 10 plate movements does not mean that the plates will not in fact move to the positions we described! The Sunda Plate will sink to the level we described. The great quakes predicted for the S American roll has been proceeding in smaller steps, but the Caribbean islands will eventually sink to the level we described. The African roll, basically a silent roll, will result in a creeping separation at Sinai and Gibraltar as we predicted. And the New Madrid is likely to occur in steps and stages so land shifts and drops and bridges separate, but without the jolts formerly anticipated.

Does any of this mean that earthquakes will stop, volcanoes will go to sleep, and until the Pole Shift arrives trauma need not be a worry? A dentist may extract a tooth slowly, so as to create a series of tiny pains rather than a rush, but at some point the nerve must be snapped and this cannot be avoided. The pain of labor likewise can be gradual, with rests between the contractions, but when the last stage is reached, the baby will not be born without those final painful throes. We have described the 8 of 10 as being a phase where some parts of the globe are continually in motion, without rest. In that the Indo-Australian Plate is the brake, holding all other plate movement back, it is certainly one of those places.

I found an article on artifacts that could possibly be 300 million years old. Would the Zeta's care to comment on these artifacts and their 'age'? [and from another] http://www.altering-perspectives.com/2013/07/300-million-year-old-machinery-found-in.html  Russian sources are reporting that a 300 million year old piece of aluminum machinery has been found in Vladivostok. Knowing that the coal deposits of this region date 300 million years back, Russian experts inferred that the metal detail found in these deposits must be an age-mate of the coal. Experts say a gear rail appears to be manufactured and not the result of natural forces. The find was very much like a toothed metal rail, created artificially.  Nowadays, finding a strange artifact in coal is a relatively frequent occurrence. The first discovery of this sort was made in 1851 when the workers in one of the Massachusetts mines extracted a zinc silver-incrusted vase from a block of unmined coal which dated all the way back to the Cambrian era which was approximately 500 million years ago. Not so long ago in Russia a mechanical device was found in volcanic rock which was dated 400 million years before the current era (B.C.E). The most ancient vase on Earth was discovered in 1851 in Massachusetts when blasting in the quarry. It is a silver-zinc vase inlaid with fine silver in the form of the vine. The age of this vase, according to the the rock in which it was found, is 534 million years old. Another strange artefact that was found in coal is the iron pot. It was found in 1912 in Oklahoma in a piece of coal with an estimated age of 312 million years.  [and from another] http://rense.com/general24/civ.htm  On the map, a giant irrigative system could be seen: in addition to the rivers, there are two 500-metre-wide channel systems, 12 dams, 300-500 metres wide, approximately 10 km long and 3 km deep each. The dams most likely helped in turning water in either side, while to create them over 1 quadrillion cubic metres of earth was shifted. In comparison with that irrigative system, Volga-Don Channel looks like a scratch on the today's relief. The map was probably created at the time when the Earth's magnetic pole situated in the today's area of Franz Josef Land, while this was exactly 120 million years ago. [and from another]  http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/mysteries/terra/map-creator.html  [and from another]  http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/30-04-2002/42113-0/


We explained, in prior ZetaTalk, that mankind was not the Earth’s FIRST intelligent species. An ancient map of the Ural Mountains showed that something was about, eons before mankind was genetically engineered into conscious intelligence. For artifacts to be found encased in coal, which takes a long time to form under the pressure of rock strata forced into a squeeze, proves their age. And multiple finds in different parts of the globe show this not to be a hoax. Combined with the ancient map, what do these finds tell us about this ancient race of lizards, which in appearance looked like raptors? They smelted metal, created mechanical devices, terra-formed their Earth with dammed rivers, and appreciated flowering vines.

Did you see NASA's new telescope? Its pretty obvious what they're looking at. "NASA's billion-dollar giant flying observatory is about to be deployed over southern skies." http://www.3news.co.nz/NASA-plane-visits-Christchurch/tabid/1160/articleID/304911/Default.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4jU6Q8tPko 
[and from another] From the next, it seems pretty suspicious that it was interested in such NASovtsy Projects, maybe it's the next excuse to conceal the true destination, especially if you believe your information is that this observatory is located at Mawson Station in Antarctica, I would like to know what they could add. What is the purpose aircraft flying observatory? [and from another] http://www.astronet.ru/db/msg/1211831  Earlier this month, an infrared telescope with a mirror diameter of 2.5 meters got a permanent place at the window, and now it looks through a hole in the fuselage of the historic Boeing 747. Mirror Telescope, roughly equal in size mirror the Hubble Space Telescope, closed red cover. The observatory on the plane, known as the Stratospheric Observatory infrared (SOFIA), to fly to an altitude of 14 kilometers. More than 99% water vapor in the atmosphere is below this height. Water vapor absorbs infrared light, and at this altitude, SOFIA will be able to receive infrared images that are impossible for even the largest ground-based telescopes. Participated in its construction specialists NASA and the German space agency DLR.


1983 revisited! It was in 1983 that NASA and JPL first sighted Nibiru, aka Planet X, via an infrared scope lofted above the atmosphere via a balloon. This resulted in the famous front page article in the Washington Post on December 31, 1983 declaring that an extra planet of the solar system had been discovered. And then the cover-up descended like a black blanket to snuff out all discussion. Planet X is so shrouded in red dust that it is difficult to discern amidst the swirl. SOFIA of course will allow NASA to discern the body of Nibiru, and they hope precisely chart its trajectory during the coming passage.

Um, what's up with this @NatGeo cover? #nibiru @poleshiftning @NancyLieder1 pic.twitter.com/toajJTYZqe [and from another]
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/07/125-solar-system/irion-text  In principle the relentless pull of gravity can amplify these small deviations until orbits migrate, cross, or otherwise go haywire. Newton concluded that God must step in from time to time to fix the clockwork. But he couldn’t say when. Even he who invented calculus was defeated by the “n-body problem”: He had no formula for calculating into the distant future the orbits of multiple bodies that were all pulling on one another.  [and from another] Somewhat related to the Nat Geo cover, I stumbled across this cover for the release of Season 6 of the History Channel series The Universe. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF11B02D6ECFA6943



The first thought of those aware of the presence of Nibiru nearby is that National Geographic is exploring the likelihood of a collision between Nibiru and Earth. The cover image is so similar to the image long forced into association with the ZetaTalk message – an image of a planetary collision. The word “collision” was key to the Wiki article on ZetaTalk and Nancy and Planet X despite heroic efforts by Nancy and fans of ZetaTalk to get the emphasis changed to the word “passage”. What can be inferred from The National Geographic article is a clarification - massive collisions happened in the past during solar system formation, not during a passage when orbits and planetary interactions had become established. The establishment is trying to damp down anxieties, reversing the damage they did during the cover-up.

Will the coming New Madrid Quake, cause major destruction in the Balcones Fault zone area in Texas, and related Faults in Oklahoma? Man's tectonic maps do not show a connection between the two fault zones, but we know there are many fault zones not yet discovered by man. Can the Zetas give us an update on the coming New Madrid quake, since it appears we are entering the 8 of 10 status?

Rifts are fractures in the rock that show that previously, trauma occurred. They are like scars in the rock. They are not necessarily fault lines as most often they do not move at all in a slip slide manner, though may express minor jitters of earthquake swarms because the scar resists a smooth transfer of motion across its face. 

The diagonal pull causing the New Madrid Fault Line to adjust will rupture land along the Mississippi, up toward the Chicago area, and along the seaway through Ohio, as we have detailed. Mississippi bridges will be inevitably torn, cities along the slip-side will be shaken into rubble, and Ohio will be devastated as land there is also pulled in different direction along the path of the fault line. The adjustment will also cause minor quakes down into the Gulf and up along an adjoining sister fault east of the Appalachian Mountains. But any rifts or escarpments in Oklahoma or Texas will not be affected other than by jolts. Use the history of the last New Madrid adjustment as a guide in these matters.

My question has to do with this article in view of the pending annoucement. Does Snowden know anything new, or is he just regurgitating the "Ed Dames Killshot?" Thank you for your consideration and time. [and from another] http://www.chronicle.su/news/edward-snowden-solar-flare-killshot-cataclysm-imminent/  Edward Snowden, hacker-fugitive and former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor, revealed [July 23] that a series of solar flares is set to occur in September, killing hundreds of millions of people. Documents provided by Snowden prove that, as of 14 years ago, Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) remote viewers knew that the event was inevitable. Ever since, the world’s governments have quietly been trying to prepare for the sweeping global famine to result. Speaking from his room at Sheremetyevo Airport’s Hotel Novotel, Snowden revealed that government preparations for September’s catastrophic solar flares have been “to only limited avail.” The flares’ results, he said, are known casually throughout the global intelligence community as “the killshot.” Remote viewers employed by the CIA’s Project Stargate use their ability to perceive geographically and chronologically distant events to protect America. Since 1999 they have known about the solar-flare event but have been threatened into silence by enforcers on the secret government’s payroll.

This report, which is a complete fabrication, seeks to discredit not only Snowden but also Ed Dames. The CIA has long used various websites and articles released under the name Sorcha Faal to spread disinformation. Sorcha Faal was, of course, not a real individual but a team of disinformation specialists. When the Sorcha Faal entity itself became discredited different sources were used, but the goal was the same – to spread disinformation. The goal of this killshot article is two-fold, with the first, to discredit Snowden in the eyes of the public so that any information released by him is considered doubtful. This article is likely only the first in this regard.

The second goal is to at long last discredit Ed Dames and his long-running ”killshot from the Sun” prediction. Dames has often been on the late night Coast-to-Coast  radio show, and his first predicted killshot was to occur in 1998. This date came and went, as did other dates, with no killshot occurring, but Ed Dames was continuously welcome on the cooperative Coast-to-Coast program as  he claimed association not only with the CIA’s remote viewing program but also the title of Major. The killshot campaign by Ed Dames was hand-in-hand with NASA’s campaign to blame the Sun for the Earth changes caused by the presence of Planet X.

The announcement admitting the presence of Planet X will have casualties. Clif High has hinted that his webbot project may close down, as he has consistently called ZetaTalk predictions on Planet X to be “goat farts”. The HAARP program, used by disinformation agents as the reason for an increase in earthquakes and fierce storms, has been closed down. Since it will be obvious to all that Ed Dames was just promoting an alternative to Planet X in his description of the need to prepare for calamities, he too will be discredited. Since Ed Dames has milked the public with sales of his remote viewing kits, he is likely to go into hiding, discredited, along with the hapless Snowden.    

This article appeared today on NBC News about the NOAA surveying the waters of the Pacific to study their acidity.  They claim that it is all caused by Global Warming of course.  My question is, what is its real cause and what are they really hoping to learn?  The regions they mention (Northwest Pacific) are under immense pressure from the bowing North American plate and compressing Pacific. [and from another] http://www.nbcnews.com/science/noaa-ship-set-sail-investigate-acidification-pacific-6C10754628  Carbon dioxide creates carbonic acid when dispersed in water. This can dissolve carbonate, the prime component in corals and oysters' shells. The world's oceans are 30 percent more acidic than they were before the Industrial Revolution, scientists estimate. [and from another] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_volcano  Submarine volcanoes are underwater fissures in the Earth's surface from which magma can erupt. They are estimated to account for 75% of annual magma output. The vast majority are located near areas of tectonic plate movement, known as ocean ridges. Many submarine volcanoes are usually found as seamounts. [and from another] http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php  The most abundant gas typically released into the atmosphere from volcanic systems is water vapor (H2O), followed by carbon dioxide (CO2) and sulfur dioxide (SO2).

Once again the establishment bends over backwards trying to avoid pointing to the elephant in the room. Of course the oceans are becoming more acidic, because volcanic activity is rising exponentially, and most volcanoes are underwater volcanoes. Magma is also released from the many rifts and plate border areas where it rises to make contact with the seawater. NOAA is sending its ship forth into the region encompassed by the N American Plate bow, as the squeeze there has increased the release of such magma gasses into the ocean waters. How it is that CO2 from the air, which is essentially the same as during past eons, has caused a 30% increase in acidity! Absurd!

Would the Zeta’s care to comment on the relationship between this storm and the earth wobble? [and from another]  http://www.theweatherspace.com/2013/07/14/unusual-storm-system-moving-backwards-across-united-states-through-end-week/  Headline: Unusual Storm System Moving Backwards Across United States Through End Week. An unusual storm system is over Oklahoma and Texas at this time, causing severe thunderstorms and much needed rainfall to the dry areas of both states. A low pressure system that started in the Eastern United States has retrograded under a ridge of high pressure to the north over the last couple of days.  This system is moving from east to west, which is extremely unusual for this hemisphere.  We’ve seen these move east to west for a short period of time, but this one will make it to Southern California by the time it weakens.

Part of the daily global wobble, the daily Figure 8 assumed by the N Pole during the wobble, is a turn of the N Pole to the right and then to the left. What this does is first create a vacuum in the North Atlantic, sucking air from North America into the North Atlantic, and then pushing all this back into North America. The pull and push of air runs directly contrary to the Coriolis Effect, which circles air masses in a clockwise manner in the Northern Hemisphere, up from the Equator and round back again. Thus the retrograde flow of air East to West in a counterclockwise manner, all due to the increasing Earth wobble.