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ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for August 20, 2011

What's that sound. Forgery or something else? Recorded in Kiev, Ukraine 11.08.11 and earlier on 11.03.11. [and from another] Sound intensity was very strong, even windows shivered in buildings . This is very scary, and Bible prophecy is coming the truth (Archangel's horn). It was recorded on 5 floor of building. Civil work are really spent in several the next houses, and it is audible on video. But these civil work - as if a mosquito peep in this awful rumble. Neither force, nor power of a building sound doesn't come within miles that was audible.
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These trumpets clearly involved air movement as the tones were so distinct. The trumpet sound was multi-tonal, almost harmonic at times with more than one tone heard at once. Trumpets, musical instruments, attain their tones by a focused vibration, a higher pitch where the vibrating material is a small surface, a deeper or baso pitch where the vibrating material is a large surface. Thus, the trumpets of Kiev were a vibration on a particular surface that did not change between August 3 and August 8, 2011, the two dates that the trumpet sound was recorded. Man-made structures have at times hummed in the wind, as anyone living near a wire in high winds can attest. But whatever was causing the trumpets of Kiev was more than wind, as the windows in buildings "shivered", per reports. The ground was also moving.

Kiev lies just south of a dam on the Kiev Reservoir, a damming of the Dnieper River. A vibration of the dam itself, like the strings of a violin, would resonate in the water, thus not only creating a vibration in the ground but a vibration in the air. There are musical instruments that use a water filled container to increase the vibration, so the vibration affects the air and sends a tone forth. Glasses of water filled to different heights, when tapped, create a vibrating tone due to the water surface affecting the air. The glass alone, when tapped, is barely audible. Where trumpets will be heard, worldwide, prior to the pole shift, the Kiev trumpets are not due to upper atmosphere clapping caused by lightning. They are caused by the stretch zone above the Black Sea, which will be pulling apart continuously until the hour of the pole shift. Thus, the people of Kiev should become accustomed to the music their dam is producing, as it is likely to be with them for the duration.

Some of my best friends are living in Australia. I've learned that Australia has rolled out red carpet for elites from all over the world as long as they bring along investment. As the west 2/3 of Australia will be under the water, the area that peole can go is pretty much limited. People in US should avoid great Denver area, and those in China should also do so to those ghost cities, which are reserved for those elites in the aftertime. What about those in Australia? Are they in danger of becoming hard labors in labor camps? [and from another] Speaking on the bridge of his command ship, USS Blue Ridge, about 60km off the central Queensland coast, exercise chief and commander of the US Seventh Fleet Vice Admiral Scott Van Buskirk said the exercise would feed into high-level discussions between the two governments about a permanent US presence in Australia.
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If the Dubai elite recently made an investment in towns along the Queensland coastline, is this an indication of where they will be living in the Aftertime? Certainly they will want access to the Great Artesian Basin aquifer, which places them in the north to northeast of Australia. Both Brisbane and Sydney will be flooded in the Aftertime, and have large populations, so are to be avoided. As indicated by the choices of the Dubai elite, who invested in the coastline above Brisbane in Queensland, this area allows access to the aquifer and avoidance of heavy population centers. If the Queen decides to dash to Australia, ahead of the Last Weeks and perhaps even ahead of the 7 of 10 European tsunami, where would she take up residence? Likely in the suburbs of Canberra, the capitol, but this is not where her bunkers would be located.

Just where the elite will congregate in Australia is not yet firmly decided. Clearly some of the USA military elite are planning to be located in Australia, with a quick jump to stake claims in Antarctica after the pole shift. During a recent exercise the central coastline of Queensland gets a mention. Dubai choice, US military presence, the Great Artesian Basin - it seems the eastern coastline of Queensland is the chosen land. What does this mean for those in the land of Oz who do not want to become conscripted labor? Go elsewhere. Tasmania clearly is being avoided. Southern Australia is likewise clearly being avoided.

In the past, the Zetas have said they admire humans' willingness to sacrifice their own lives for the sake of another, or others, and that this trait is rare among alien races. Why is this so? If most races only have one brain, not split like ours into conscious/subconscious, and so are aware of their souls, and of past lives, wouldn't that make a being more likely to make such a sacrifice? After all, they know about reincarnation. We humans are mostly oblivious to that reality, and yet are able to do this. Is it because they realize the souls of others will just be reincarnated anyway, so why bother risking your own current incarnation? The sense of duty to your own "lessons" or responsibilities?

Homo sapiens has been genetically engineered from apes native to the Earth, who were by necessity adapted to living with large predators. Those products who were not aggressive enough to fight these predators did not survive. Emotion is simply an expression of hormones and wiring in the brain designed to get a species to move, to act quickly, in defense of the self or the troop. In fact, the root word in emotion is move. This is all influenced greatly by the quality and orientation of the soul, of course. A mother leaning to Service-to-Other will allow her maternal hormones and wiring to rush to her infants rescue, at risk to herself, where a mother firmly in the Service-to-Self will hesitate and look the other way.

Intelligent creatures around the Universe vary greatly in what their 3rd density worlds present, in this regard. Some have no physical threat to the self other than the psychological, such as boredom or a sense of self esteem, being included in a group or being exiled, for instance. Others need only deal with issues of starvation, where they might be physically blocked from a food source by bullies. Large predators that could overtake them and tear them apart, eaten alive, are not an issue on these worlds. If it takes, on average, 1,000 lives for an entity to arrive at their spiritual orientation and be a candidate to evolve to 4th density, then a soul born on Earth would have many such experiences, or be a witness to them.

Thus terran born souls, arriving at the Service-to-Other decision, would have the precedent of sacrificing the self, if this were required to help others, and have a short decision making process as in the past this was required. Rush in to face the sabre tooth tiger so it does not snatch the toddler, and no time to waste! Other worlds where the intelligent life form faced such situations, regularly, likewise have these memories in the soul. Worlds where psychological issues are the main worry might evolve souls where negotiation is the main strength, for instance, or psychological games and manipulation techniques. Awareness of past lives, the incarnated body being aware of what the soul has experienced in past lives, is not a factor of a split brain or many brains in a life form. It is a decision of the soul, whether to share or not.

For someone contemplating orphan rescue as a mission in the Aftertime, this could be most difficult. Not only from the point of view of the possible difficulty of determining such when time is critical, but the mere concept itself. I am struggling with this. Surely, the percentage of hardened STS in children, especially very young, would be tiny? Why reincarnate back to 3rd density when STS was the orientation decision, and a 4th density STS prison planet beckons? Harvesting recruits? How does one decide, perhaps in a very short time, to leave a child behind? Maybe they can be weeded out, later, when STS becomes the obvious hardened choice. Could not young undecideds be gently prodded towards STO? The Zetas mention in the above that STO teams will be guided in these matters, but I'm guessing not to the degree of assistance determining orientation. [and from another] Often, the Service-to-Other individual plans to go into the worst situations, into collapsed cities to rescue the innocent, the orphans, and take them to better places. They are being guided as to where to take these troops of orphans, chosen not solely due to their need, but to their orientation, else Lord of the Flies result.

At what point do those in the Service-to-Self stop incarnating on Earth. We have stated that the leap to 4th density will occur approximately 100 year after the pole shift, when 89% of the souls on Earth are firmly in the Service-to-Other orientation. This percentage may be reached prior to the 100 year mark, which is an estimate. Presumably, some of the 11% not in the Service-to-Other category will be humans born at the present time, living a long life. But another process is afoot, as the Service-to-Self are often given one last incarnation in order to firmly make their decision. This process could occur for some years after the pole shift, resulting in highly Service-to-Self infants among pole shift survivors. In that survivors will increasingly be inclined toward the Service-to-Other, what dynamics will result?

This is not a new situation. During their present incarnation, and for some years past, those in the Service-to-Other and Service-to-Self have been exposed to each other, as a last opportunity to learn what the future will bring. Separation happens after 3rd density, and thus the last incarnations in 3rd density are often used as an educational experience in this regard, especially if the entity has not been exposed in the past to polarized orientation dramas. Those in the Service-to-Self exhibit rage and resentment, almost continuously, in some form, as they expect the Universe to wrap around them and meet their demands. This is one clue that a human is operating in the Service-to-Self, regardless of their age.

Toddlers will throw temper tantrums, grab toys from other children, push and shove others out of the way, and bite or harm others without provocation. We are not talking about a toddler crying out of frustration because it is hungry or dealing with a rash or restrained for long hours, we are speaking of temper tantrums at the slightest frustration. We are not speaking of a conflict over a toy, a tugging contest, or curiosity impelling a persistence in getting hands on a toy. We are talking about a me-first attitude that is undeniable. We are not talking about a teething infant biting his mother, but a willingness to injure another, almost a frank delight in seeing pain in others, which is a certain clue that one is dealing with a Service-to-Self child.

This is an educational opportunity for both the Service-to-Other and Service-to-Self individual, during their interactions. Often the highly Service-to-Self entity will be born to undecided parents, so that a contrast to how they will be treated in the future can develop during their young life. The infant is raised, eventually wears out his parents and family members and is rebuffed so often that the child strikes out on its own, seeking new territory. To this point the Service-to-Self entity has been experiencing the treatment it is accustomed to during its many lives on Earth, in its past. But at this point forward the child will now encounter highly Service-to-Other entities, and a battle ensues for domination and control.

The highly Service-to-Other individual sets limits, absolutely, and does not allow the child to dominate or take advantage. The point where the child refuses chores and steals from others is where Earth becomes a training ground for 4th density situations. In 4th density, those in the Service-to-Self will try to manipulate the Service-to-Others when encountered during engagements. Since the Earth is a self-study school, we decline to detail how these Earthly encounters during the later days in 3rd density might evolve or conclude. This is your lesson, and you must work through this on your own.

I have a question regarding the catastrophe in North Sea, in north Europe. There is a lot of oil leaking from an oil drilling platform here: I would like to know if it has something to do with plate movings. [and from another] Shell said oil seepage was continuing from a relief valve next to the main leak, dismissing reports of a second leak. The spill on Shell's Gannet field, which it co-owns with Exxon Mobil Corp and which lies 180 km off the Scottish port of Aberdeen, had been leaking for two days before authorities or Shell spoke up. [and from another] More than 200 tonnes of oil could have entered the North Sea after Shell's recent spill, it has been estimated. [and from another],,15314856,00.html Shell has provided little information about the incident so far, but said that no more than 200 tons, or 1,500 barrels, of oil had been spilled to date. This compares to about 5 million barrels that spilled from BP's leaking Macondo oil field last year in the Gulf of Mexico.
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This region is neither a plate border nor fault line. But it does lie in the area destined to be pulled down during the plate movements preceding the pole shift and certainly during the pole shift itself. We have predicted that Ireland, Scotland, and Wales will be pulled down to a greater extent than England herself. What happens when plates are bent in this way, pulled down because the plate border in the mid-Atlantic has weakened, a void on one side of this plate border? Rock layers bend, and snap, and certainly destabilize anything like an oil pipeline that expects a smooth firm surface. A pipeline that lacks support will itself fracture, fitting pulling apart, and there you have a leak. More of this will certainly occur.

First of all, I would like to ask a little bit more about Russia, the Urals, and Republic of Bashkortostan. How big of a "safe from flood"-zone are we talking about and what is going to happen to big cities like Ufa, Perm and Ekaterinburg?
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Russia suffers greatly due to the flooding that will occur after the pole shift. Most of the country lies beneath the 675 foot elevation where we estimate the waters will rise. The Ural Mountains clearly stand above this, as do the mountains of eastern Russia. But vast, heavily populated areas of Russia will become steadily flooded after the pole shift, to the dismay of survivors who perhaps have assumed they survived the worst. Cities like Ufa, Perm and Ekaterinburg essentially border the Urals, such that they will be partically flooded but so soggy that life cannot continue as before. The inhabitants will of course scamper to the Urals, to join a massive number of refugees forced their earlier. The mountains of eastern Russia are sparsely populated, in Russian territory, and will have a delightful climate in the Aftertime. We advise an early migration to those regions, or a migration via boat if delayed.

Must confess my confusion - and hope for an answer - as to which would be the main direction of winds blowing over New Zealand in the New Geography. Would the Coriolis effect have the islands in the grip of cold for the two years it will take the nearby South Pole to melt ? Or would the winds rather be blowing from Japan, of which we have recently learned it will be uninhabitable due to its numerous nuclear plants ?

New Zealand will lie right on the new Equator, and thus it's winds will come steadily from the new east, as the globe rotates. Yes, the melting of the ice in Antarctica will keep you cool for awhile before the tropical Sun is dominant. This will not be cooler than you are accustomed, so will merely provide you with more time to adjust to a tropical climate.

The Pope Benedict XVI is going to inaugurate the "World Youth Day" in Madrid, Spain. Zetas have claimed that Spain will be a refuge for the Vatican elite and the catholic church after the Pole Shift due to this country will endure well the catastrophe ( believe because of the elevation of its "Meseta" / plateau of Castile; with an average height of 700 meters ; in the future maps this is the part of Spain that stands above the sea). Has the election of Madrid for this important event anything to do with the possibility to move the capital of the Vatican from Rome to Madrid in the aftertime? Madrid is in the middle of the plateau and Spain and I thought that the city would fare well the Pole Shift, Could the Zetas explain this more clearly please?
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Those who have never witnessed tidal bore cannot imagine how water could climb several thousand feet when under pressure and with nowhere else to go. This will be the situation for Spain during the hour of the pole shift for several reasons. During the pole shift, the globe will be suddenly tipped, the S Pole of Earth snagged by the twisting and turning of Planet X, and pulled up so that the Bulge of Brazil becomes the new N Pole of Earth. During this hour of the shift, the Earth will be pulled under the Atlantic, thus, and water will be rushing past the coastline of Spain. This is water under pressure, and water falling into the outlet of the river Tajo will be trapped with nowhere to go but inland.

Water follows the path of least resistance, and in this case it is up the narrow river bed between high hills, up and up. It will rise to Madrid, and even flood those clinging to roof tops. The issue is not how high the ocean is, nor how high the boring tide will become, but what is happening at the mouth of the river. Water falls into the mouth of the river as there the pressure is less than the pressure to push past the coastline of Spain. There, in the mouth of the river, in Portugal, it roils but cannot escape. It is pushed thus up the river, and gains momentum in this regard. Water on the move has its own life, as we have explained, as it creates a void at the back side, sucking additional water into this void. Thus the climbing water is like a draw, and the pressure from the water passing the coastline of Portugal is pulled into this void repeatedly. As astonishing as this sounds, this is hydrology, and can be replicated in a lab for skeptics.

In general, many others suddenly became interesting when the tsunami on Europe will then probably North America may suffer. If a forecast for eastern America or will it be a safe zone? For example what would happen to New York?

The European tsunami surges against Europe because of the influence of the Gulf Stream. Where the Gulf Stream wraps around to wash along Greenland and Quebec, the tsunami will not wash against these shores but will circle around to return to the great void that is spreading in the floor of the North Atlantic. This tear will be increasing for some days, though the initial tear is the largest, creating the tsunami that surges against Europe. The Gulf Stream and its return will be somewhat circular, during these days, a dangerous time for ships to be at sea. Those along the East Coast of the US and the west coast of Africa will find their tides disrupted and confusing, but not excessive to the degree that these tides would be called a tsunami. Greenland and Quebec will have noticeably high tides.

Can the Zeta's comment on the continuing rumbling going on in Windsor, Ontario? Is this because it's in the stretch zone or is it some precursor to the New Madrid adjustment?
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The Seaway is ripping open but until the real drama ensues during the hour of the pole shift, there will merely be much stress on the rock, pulling apart. A hum was reported in July, 2011 in Roseville, near Lake St. Clair, which is in the same vicinity as Windsor. Hums have been reported on the border between Wisconsin and the Michigan peninsula, where a large and growing crack appeared in October, 2010. The hum has been around in many places around the globe for years, but hums are on the increase due to the Earth wobble increasing in violence and the plate movements which have begun during the 7 of 10 scenarios. That the Windsor hum occurs at a specific time of the night, between 1-3 am, is a clue that this hum is a result of stress caused by the daily wobble! Or is it the boogyman?

I am hoping any advice might be given on something that i and possibly many others also may be feeling. Not to sound too cliche but i always knew there was something wrong with how the world operates in it's financial structure - it was only a few years ago i started researching on the mass psychology aspect which ultimately lead me to this ning. A member for a few months now, i have been astounded by the level of information provided by the Zeta's, particularly the following thread; Who runs the World? Because of the nature of the cover-up of Planet X which of course, is pre-emptive to all that transpires from our governments I like many others, feel cheated out of lifes supposed freedoms and quite frankly, I do not feel alive. As such, i now have this negative recoiling attitude towards work (which i deem a diversion from our greatness) and I have lost all sense of ambition. I see it that any talents are used, abused and benefitted from by the establishment to ultimately line their own pockets whilst at the same time, rendering our skills monotonous when applied in [work] situations that basically diminish our development as a species. Is it wrong to feel this way, knowing the truth about and the reasons for the cover up? Could any advice be given to abate what appears as an ever increasing feeling of resentment which stems from analyzing the modus operandi of our so-called civil societies and cultural practices governed by something as superficial as the paper money system.

The 3rd density society perforce is a mixture of those leaning to Service-to-Other and those leaning to Service-to-Self, with the great majority in a fog between these two orientations. Those in the Service-to-Self like a firm pecking order and thus impose rules, lots of rules. They are greedy and without compunction about lying and deceiving others and thus accrue assets, hoarding without conscience about depriving others of these assets. They steal the work product of others, climbing the ladder by this means or by eliminating competition through threat or bribery. They want tight control over their environment and thus seek to enslave others into being their work force, with debt being a popular means of shackling the slave.

Thus, most humans on 3rd density Earth find themselves required to work for a living, with seemingly no escape. We have warned those seeking a secure place during the pole shift to avoid government installation, as these are likely to become work camps. Any military base, any carry-on government site, and the regions near the bunkers of the elite do not offer security but enslavement. Where the elite will try to use the techniques they have come to rely upon after the pole shift - money as a medium of exchange and threats and bribery to enforce cooperation - the growing incidence of Service-to-Other camps will operate on an entirely different basis. The motivation for work, for taking action, is not the accumulation of money but to relieve the suffering of others, to relive hunger in others, in short, to help others.

A team spirit arises in Service-to-Other camps where their situation is discussed almost endlessly. There could be lights at night so the members don't stumble about in the dark if only that windmill could be operational. The outhouse would stink less if it could be turned into a composting toilet, making highly fertile soil instead of reek. Those weeds so high in vitamin C and A, might we cultivate them in their own patch? One of the children has recently developed signs of scurvy, and this seems a high priority. Those in the Service-to-Other do not see these tasks as burdensome, they see them as an opportunity and have a light heart, scarcely feeling any aches or pains during their labor. All sleep with a smile, dreaming of positive changes in the lives of others. Imagine a money changer, a banker, in this midst, trying to pull this crowd to his old way of thinking. He offers good pay for a job he has in mind, and is totally ignored!

Three Mile Island accident investigators, the nuclear-engineering, Arnold Gundersen, who was nuclear power plant consultant warn urgently. It seems the reactor core fuses and that it is falling from bottom of Containment Vessel to lowest base of the building. Japanese government say that it takes in 10 years in the future by the time it takes out a reactor core, but there is not the technology which takes out a reactor core. At the time of Three Mile Island accident, fuel melted and fell to the bottom at the nuclear reactor, but in case of Fukushima, there was melt through to the building's lowest bottom. This polluted the ground and groundwater under the building. The high concentration polluted ground doesn't disappear in 300 years in the future. Japanese peoples was not told the truth about melt through! Where is the reactor core? We found steam from ground on You tube! [and from another] "Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind," Arnold Gundersen, a former nuclear industry senior vice president, told Al Jazeera. Japan's 9.0 earthquake on March 11 caused a massive tsunami that crippled the cooling systems at the Tokyo Electric Power Company's (TEPCO) nuclear plant in Fukushima, Japan. It also led to hydrogen explosions and reactor meltdowns that forced evacuations of those living within a 20km radius of the plant. Gundersen, a licensed reactor operator with 39 years of nuclear power engineering experience, managing and coordinating projects at 70 nuclear power plants around the US, says the Fukushima nuclear plant likely has more exposed reactor cores than commonly believed. "The fuels are now a molten blob at the bottom of the reactor," Gundersen added. "TEPCO announced they had a melt through. A melt down is when the fuel collapses to the bottom of the reactor, and a melt through means it has melted through some layers. That blob is incredibly radioactive, and now you have water on top of it. The water picks up enormous amounts of radiation, so you add more water and you are generating hundreds of thousands of tons of highly radioactive water." Independent scientists have been monitoring the locations of radioactive "hot spots" around Japan, and their findings are disconcerting. "We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometres being found 60 to 70 kilometres away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl." [and from another] With two more reactors, in addition to those of Hokkaido Electric and Shikoku Electric, due to be shut down for regular checkups this summer, utilities will continue walking a tightrope to meet demand for power. [and from another] No. 171: 12:00, August 12: 5 months after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant crisis started, workers are still struggling to decontaminate large amounts of highly radioactive water. Japan to reduce its dependence on nuclear power generation. But Japan's government has decided to honor contracts that have already been concluded, or are under negotiation, for exporting nuclear plants. Since the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi plant in March, nuclear reactors in Japan are struggling to resume operations after regular checkups.

It's been several months since the Fukushima disaster in March, 2011 and what has the establishment learned about the dangers of nuclear power plants in the era of crustal movements and a pending pole shift? All lessons learned are not evident to the public, as most of the action on this front has taken place behind closed doors, during intense and anxiety filled discussions between heads of state around the world. The public has increasing demands for power, as more and more electric toys are purchased and heat waves due to the erratic weather are on the increase. This is all encouraged, of course, by the corporations who advertise their products widely. What could be more important than profits, after all.

These meetings are secret because the nuclear power crisis is in a head-to-head confrontation with the cover-up over the presence of Planet X. To be open and honest about the need to reduce the world's power consumption would require the truth about the increase in earthquakes, and this would require the USGS and their handlers to admit their steady lies about the size and frequency of quakes, lo this past decade or more. The USGS would then need to point the finger at their handlers, to explain that they were under orders with a national security blanket sealing their lips. All of which raises the question about why earthquakes have been on the increase, and there you have Planet X sitting next to Obama in the Oval Office in front of the TV newscaster's microphones.

In the meantime, the nuclear power industry and the politicians who authorize and regulate nuclear power plants agonize. Regular inspections and stricter standards are openly discussed in the press, but the plans to shut down plants when the earthquake magnitudes start to rise is not released to the press. These new regulations are considered top secret, lest the public begin to suspect that the Earth changes are expected to increase and begin to ask why that might be. All this is what the Council of Worlds considers "opportunities" during the 3rd density existence. Will those in the establishment aware of the pending pole shift risk all to tell the truth to the public? Will the public take immediate and imperative steps to close down all power plants and enclose the nuclear material in leak-proof containers?

To what extent benign aliens will be allowed to intervene in the future is not yet decided by the Council of Worlds, and thus the issue must be considered to be in the hands of man. Chernobyl was a lesson. Fukushima was a lesson. And more may be pending unless the establishment takes action and stops putting corporate profits and the security of their own bunkers ahead of all else. In the meantime, the full truth about the Fukushima disaster is not yet revealed to the public. Of course melt-downs occurred, with radioactive material in contact with the ground where groundwater is being heated and released as steam through fissures. Of course the region will be radioactive into the future far longer than the public has been lead to believe. In the meantime, the issue apparently is not the disaster and what should be done, but whether the A/C works in Tokyo!

Great CC at Jubilee Plantation, nr Cherhill, Wiltshire, UK. Reported 15th August. If this CC isn't a fake, could the Zetas comment on it? Ninefold formation with six-moon vortex below Oldbury hill fort. Cherhill, 1999. It is taken from Formations are dated by 2011 and 1999 yr accordingly. Here notice that the symbol nearby aside is identical at both. What means this symbol?
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The key shape or symbol appearing in some crop circles is an assist to indicate the direction of motion when this might not be obvious from the diagram as a whole. The motion implied is retrograde, the rotation and orbit direction that Planet X takes during a passage. Without the key, Oldbury in 1999 could be taken that way, or the opposite way, that the circle is turning in a clockwise direction, although the counterclockwise direction has more bite. The key was used in 2003 also, to show the direction of sweep during magnetic clashes. Jubilee in 2011 is showing the combined effect of the Earth wobble and the regular assault from a retrograde approach of Planet X, like a boxer socking an opponent in the jaw from one side, repeatedly, every time the opponent recovers and reels around again.