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Re: Jan 25th Havas Images

In Article <b19sm2$ml7$> Jim Scotti wrote:
> There is absolutely no evidence in the geologic record of
> such an event happening in at least the last 3+ Billion years,

Let me list some crust shifting to the “absolutely no evidence” blind,
deliberatly blind, as in JIM (let-them-drown) SCOTTI who knows full well
what is coming.

 The Ivory Islands
     “In 1797 the body of a mammoth, with flesh, skin, and hair, was
found in northeastern Siberia. The flesh had the appearance of freshly
frozen beef; it was edible, and wolves and sled dogs fed on it without
harm. The ground must have been frozen ever since the day of their
entombment; had it not been frozen, the bodies of the mammoths would
have putrefied in a single summer, but they remained unspoiled for some
thousands of years. In some mammoths, when discovered, even the eyeballs
were still preserved. [All] this shows that the cold became suddenly
extreme .. and knew no relenting afterward. In the stomachs and between
the teeth of the mammoths were found plants and grasses that do not grow
now in northern Siberia .. (but are) .. now found in southern Siberia.
Microscopic examination of the skin showed red blood corpuscles, which
was proof not only of a sudden death, but that the death was due to
suffocation either by gases or water.”

Whales in the Mountains
     “Bones of whale have been found 440 feet above sea level, north of
Lake Ontario; a skeleton of another whale was discovered in Vermont,
more than 500 feet above sea level; and still another in the Montreal-
Quebec area, about 600 feet above sea level. Although the Humphrey whale
and beluga occasionally enter the mouth of the St. Lawrence, they do not
climb hills.”

Times and Dates
     “Careful investigation by W.A. Johnston of the Niagara River bed
disclosed that the present channel was cut by the falls less than 4,000
years ago. And equally careful investigation of the Bear River delta by
Hanson showed that the age of this delta was 3,600 years. The study by
Claude Jones of the lakes of the Great Basin showed that these lakes,
remnants of larger glacial lakes, have existed only about 3,500 years.
Gales obtained the same result on Owen Lake in California and also Van
Winkle on Abert and Summer lakes in Oregon. Radiocarbon analysis by
Libby also indicates that plants associated with extinct animals
(mastodons) in Mexico are probably only 3,500 years old. Similar
conclusions concerning the late survival of the Pleistocene fauna were
drawn by various field workers in many parts of the American continent.
Suess and Rubin found with the help of radiocarbon analysis that in the
mountains of the western United States ice advanced only 3000 years
     “The Florida fossil beds at Vero and Melbourne proved - by the
artifacts found there together with human bones and the remains of
animals, many of which are extinct - that these fossil beds were
deposited between 2,000 and 4,000 years ago. From observations on
beaches in numerous places all over the world, Daly concluded that there
was a change in the ocean level, which dropped sixteen to twenty feet
3,500 years ago. Kuenen and others confirmed Daly's findings with
evidence derived from Europe.”

Dropped Ocean Level
     “R.A. Daly observed that in a great many places all around the
world there is a uniform emergence of the shore line of 18 to 20 feet.
In the southwest Pacific, on the islands belonging to the Samoan group
but spread over two hundred miles, the same emergence is evident. Nearly
halfway around the world, at St. Helena in the South Atlantic, the lava
is punctuated by dry sea caves, the floors of which are covered with
water-worn pebbles, now dusty because untouched by the surf. The
emergence there is also 20 feet. At the Cape of Good Hope caves and
beaches also prove recent and sensibly uniform emergence to the extent
of about 20 feet.”
     “Marine terraces, indicating similar emergence, are found along the
Atlantic coast from New York to the Gulf of Mexico; for at least 1,000
miles along the coast of eastern Australia; along the coasts of Brazil,
southwest Africa, and many islands in the Pacific, Atlantic, and Indian
Oceans. The emergence is recent as well as of the same order of
magnitude, (20 feet). Judging from the condition of beaches, terraces,
and caves, the emergence seems to have been simultaneous on every shore.“
     “In (Daly's) opinion the cause lies in the sinking of the level of
all seas on the globe. Alternatively, Daly thinks it could have resulted
from a deepening of the oceans or from an increase in their areas. Of
special interest is the time of the change. Daly estimated the sudden
drop of oceanic level to (have occurred) some 3,000 to 4,000 years ago.”

Shifting Poles
     “All other theories of the origin of the Ice Age having failed,
there remained an avenue of approach which already early in the
discussion was chosen by several geologists: a shift in the terrestrial
poles. If for some reason the poles had moved, old polar ice would have
moved out of the Arctic and Antarctic circles and into new regions. The
glacial cover of the Ice Age could have been the polar icecap of an
earlier epoch.  The continent of Antarctica is larger than Europe. It
has not a single tree, not a single bush, not a single blade of grass.
Very few fungi have been found. Storms of great velocity circle the
Antarctic most of the year. E.H. Shackleton, during his expedition to
Antarctica in 1907 found fossil wood in the sandstone. Then he
discovered 7 seams of coal. The seams are each between 3 and 7 feet
thick. Associated with the coal is sandstone containing coniferous
    “Spitsbergen in the Arctic Ocean is as far north from Oslo in Norway
as Oslo is from Naples. Heer identified 136 species of fossil plants
from Spitsbergen. Among the plants were pines, firs, spruces, and
cypresses, also elms, hazels, and water lilies. At the northernmost tip
of Spitsbergen Archipelago, a bed of black and lustrous coal 25 to 30
feet thick was found. (Spitsbergen) is buried in darkness for half the
year and is now almost continuously buried under snow and ice. At some
time in the remote past corals grew and are still found on the entire
fringe of polar North America - in Alaska, Canada, and Greenland. In
later times fig palms bloomed within the Arctic Circle.”

Sea and Land Changed Places
     “[Cuvier] found in the gypsum deposits in the suburbs of Paris
marine limestone containing over eight hundred species of shells, all of
them marine. Under this limestone there is another - fresh water -
deposit formed of clay. Much of France was once under sea; then is was
land, populated by land reptiles; then it became sea again and was
populated by marine animals; then it was land again, inhabited by
mammals. And as it was on the site of Paris, so it was in other parts of
France, and in other countries of Europe. The Himalayas, highest
mountains in the world, rise like a thousand mile long wall north of
India. Many of its peaks tower over 20,000 feet, Mount Everest reaching
29,000 feet. Scientists of the nineteenth century were dismayed to find
that, as high as they climbed, the rocks of the massifs yielded
skeletons of marine animals, fish that swim in the ocean, and shells of
mollusks. This was evidence that the Himalayas had risen from beneath
the sea.“
     “In many places of the world the seacoast shows either submerged or
raised beaches. The previous surf line is seen on the rock of raised
beaches; where the coast became submerged, the earlier water line is
found chiseled by the surf in the rock below the present level of the
sea. In the case of the Pacific coast of Chile Charles Darwin observed
that the beach must have risen 1300 feet only recently - within the
period during which upraised shells have remained undecayed on the


> Jim Scotti
> Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
> University of Arizona
> Tucson, AZ 85721 USA