Session Start: Sat Jan 25 14:23:01 2003
(Tekk) the Zetas will understand it
(Zetapal) Mulder - if you think about it, the star,"the North Star" will remain the same polestar as the orientation of the magnetic field fro earth will remain the same in space, only the surface of the land will have moved
(Douch3) Teks question is simple: are there rules to loved ones staying behind
(Thunderoc) Can anyone repost pictures of Px (on zeta site), intoJPEG format??
(M) wee i made it to this one thank god.
(NancyL) Hello all. I'm ready to start anytime, Queen. I have 3 Signs of the Times if anyone is interested.
(QueenVee) yes, we're interested Nancy. go ahead.
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #1
(NancyL) Just received the new Feb issue of Harper's... the front cover top feature article is; 'A COMET'S TALE on the Science of Apocalypse' ... 15, repeat, 15, very interesting and intense pages of the history of perceived apocalypses, mass extintions, asteroids, and specially comets that could wipe out most of mankind and our civilization.
(NancyL) The article is sending very, very, strong messages, it is not poo-pooing planet X or the upcoming event, it is a warning to it's readership. The article states that 'George W. Bush, [is] arguably the worst president in American history' It also states that Millenium Challenge, the military excercise of last year, 2002, ....'was based on a rogue military commander staging a coup in an earthquake-riven Middle Eastern nation.'
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #2
(NancyL) NASA eyes nuclear-powered rocket, Agency expected to seek funding to develop way to travel 3 times faster, Los Angeles Times, Fri, Jan. 17, 2003, http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/4967388.htm "The space agency is expected to request "significant resources and funding" to design a nuclear-powered propulsion system to triple the speed of current space travel, theoretically making it possible for humans to reach Mars in a two-month voyage."
(NancyL) "The Bush administration has signed off on the ambitious nuclear-rocket propulsion project, dubbed Project Prometheus -- though not specifically for the Mars landing -- and the president may officially launch the initiative during his State of the Union address on Jan. 28, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe said. NASA and the Bush administration are keeping the lid on the details, including how much more it expects to request from Congress, but O'Keefe said the funding increase will be 'very significant.' "
(NancyL) SIGNS of the TIMES #3
(NancyL) Jim Scotti and Sarah Mac discussing Nancy's "nonexistent" planet and how bright it will be 7 weeks before passage. From a sci.astro posting:
(NancyL) Sarah Mc "If that's the case, I have to rewrite some web pages. I assumed her planet would have to be at magnitude 5 or 6 in 84 days (from it's current invisible status). I take that back - it has to be around 10 or 12 magnitudes brighter, around a -5 or -6 to be a daytime, naked eye object. My only experience with bright, daytime naked eye objects is Iridium flares - so if anyone has a limiting magnitude for daytime, naked eye visible objects, I'd appreciate it."
(NancyL) Jim Scotti "Well, Venus is visible in the daytime, though I doubt the average guy on the street would pick it up without some help. I've tried to find Jupiter in the daytime and even shortly after sunset without success, so I'd say something like magnitude -4 would be the threshold for naked eye daytime visibility for trained observers. Probably more like -5 or -6 before it starts to become easy. Iridium flares are pretty tough in the daytime since they move and the location in the sky is hard to prepare for unless you are lucky enough to have a flare near the zenith or some other easily found location on the sky, so daytime Iridium flares may not be the best comparison."
(NancyL) Done Signs of the Times
(QueenVee) Thanks nancy. first question coming up.
(QueenVee) FIRST QUESTION: What specific soul lessons does the poleshift and aftertime experience offer to those currently incarnated on earth? Does it in essence represent the last opportunity on earth for humans to make a decision about their orientation?
(NancyL) We also had a sci.astro posting from a supposedly nonprejudiced person (read debunker) giving instructions on how to avoid being banned during these chats :-). They must be getting desperate.
(NancyL) ZT: Humans tend to underestimate the number of incarnations they will have before advancing to light form, the stage where a body no longer is a learning tool.
(NancyL) ZT: They explore their past lives, digging about with a past life regression therapist, and remember ONLY those that are pleasant or put their actions in a good light.
(NancyL) ZT: The horrific times, or times when they behaved so badly they prefer not to dwell on the matter, are NOT brought forward.
(NancyL) ZT: The soul, of course, does not forget, but the human consciousness, hearing these tales, discards them and will only allow the pleasant to come through.
(NancyL) ZT: Incarnations run into the thousands, in the main, before a graduation to 4th Density spiritual is achieved. Nancy is an example of someone who QUICKLY made her orientation decision, having done so in a little more than 1,200 lifetimes, but there are others who require 50,000 or more incarnations to firmly decide.
(NancyL) ZT: Even then, entities may vacilate, and need to RETURN to 3rd Density to re-establish this decision.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, most reincanating entities on Earth have BEEN through repeated pole shifts, or horrors of natural disasters equivalent, so this experience is not different and certainly not new.
(NancyL) ZT: For instance, someone living on a volcanic island, during an eruption, is living through a similar horror.
(NancyL) ZT: Or someone facing a tidal wave, or a mud slide on steep slopes, burried alive and smothering in liquid mud during their last minutes.
(NancyL) ZT: Or someone caught in fire, burning alive, whether this is a situation nature or accident causes or done at the hands of man as was the case during the Middle Ages.
(NancyL) ZT: Certainly, the horrors of the coming shift are no different, no more a learning tool, and ALL situations where the entity has choices allow movement toward determination, final determination, of the 3rd Density lesson, which is the orientation decision.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Tizza) do these souls esentually remain in their family groups as they "travel" thru theses re-incarnations?
(QueenVee) follow-up questions?
(Thunderoc) What revelence do Emotions play regarding advancing to light form? Have the zeta's found that by genetically altering their own emotional response / abuilities, that it has helped their forms advance to light form 4th desity? and how so?
(Tekk) will those that don't make it through the shift be allowed closure regarding those left behind?
(Samsara2003) Wow, that puts things into perspective
(Spunky) what happens between incarnations?
(Obany) please keep your follow up questions related to the answers
(Obany) Spunky: has been adressed
(QueenVee) Tekk: try and be more specific. what do you mean by "closure"?
(NancyL) ZT to Tizza: Humans often encounter what is termed soul mates, or souls they have dealt with before.
(NancyL) ZT: That this could HAPPEN, given the numbers and likelihood by chance, seems unlikely.
(NancyL) ZT: Indeed, such encounters are GUIDED, both souls desiring this encounter, and the Spirit Guides allowing this.
(NancyL) ZT: Often, if a soul has a particularly difficult task, or will be undertaking a particularly significant task that is of importance for its growth, having old and familiar companions is deemed an assist.
(NancyL) ZT: However, this is the EXCEPTION, less than 1% of incarnations including such encounters or arrangements.
(NancyL) ZT: There are souls that tend to limit the NUMBERS of other entities they can deal with, such that STO is interpreted as concern for the GROUP, not the larger Universe.
(NancyL) ZT: The GROUP, thus, is variously defined.
(NancyL) ZT: A group might be no more than the extended family, during an incarnation, or the local community, or the country or those sharing the religious beliefs.
(NancyL) ZT: This type of limitation is the NORM, even for highly experienced STO entities who would most definitely be considered old souls.
(NancyL) ZT: But there are others, an example Nancy and ourselves, the team of Zetas talking to you here, who consider the larger scope.
(NancyL) ZT: At a minimum, we include the population of the Earth, and include in our concerns all visitors from ANYWHERE in the STO orientation who are interacting on Earth, or will be.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, this is a decision, or perhaps a limitation, of the entity, whether to cling to small and familiar groups or be expansive and explorative.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Duane) Is there a record for the shortest number of incarnations a 3rd density being experienced before graduating to 4th density?
(Spunky) where is memory stored - in the physical brain or in the spirit?
(Mike) so out of the 10% who will eventually survive the poleshift, what percentage is expected to make it thru 4th density?
(Obany) Duane: for what i know this depends on the soul... don't think that a record can be givven for this
(NancyL) Duane, the exact number probably does not matter, but I'm getting a quick answer of about 420 or so.
(NancyL) Spunky, both, and they chat with each other. The brain dies upon death of the human, but the spirit ALSO has all this recorded, and does not forget.
(QueenVee) ready for next question, Nancy?
(NancyL) ZT to Mike: We have stated that there are 1 billion reincarnating souls on Earth, which have evolved on Earth.
(NancyL) ZT: Of this, less than 25% or STO in their orientation, approximately 7% are STS, and the remaining some 68% are undecided.
(NancyL) End ZT to Mike.
(NancyL) Ready Queen :-)
(QueenVee) NEXT QUESTION:
(QueenVee) ZT has stated that "Ruth Montgomery was among the authors reporting truthfully" about aliens, walk-ins, etc Montgomery's Guides told her there would be a Walk-In president of the US at the time of the poleshift, who would help people through it. ZT has also stated that the US government will not disappear after the shift, but will be "diminished to a very small locale"....
(QueenVee) QUESTION: Can the Zetas comment on Ruth Montgomery's prediction about a Walk-In president? Is it possible that there will be a new president of this "diminished" US government after the poleshift that could the the walk-in she speaks of?
(NancyL) ZT: Ruth Montgomery is a valid channel but is in touch with entities other than ourselvs.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, to disect her channeled reports is to step in and speak FOR these entities, who would understandably resent this.
(NancyL) ZT: Any channeled work done in the PAST is also subject to change, when the actions are in the hands of man, as we have repeatedly stressed.
(NancyL) ZT: It is a logical, and predictable, assumption that given the polarization to STS the Senior Bush as President had, and the behind the scenes maneuvers, the extremely harsh treatment of Clinton during his era, that STS humans would attempt to take over the Presidency of the US going into the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: 40 million dollars was spent on finding criminal actions of Clinton re 40 thousand dollars, yet the Enron connection to the current President, his criminal accounting during Harken Energy, Chenny's criminal accounting during Haliburton, are all excused.
(NancyL) ZT: This is an example of the DETERMINATION of the STS humans currently in charge of the White House to gain power, and their intense resentment that Clinton withstood them as long as he did.
(NancyL) ZT: Pollution is on the upswing, forgiven to a horrific degree by the former Governor who had the LARGEST polluting record, over Texas, of any other state, but this is overlooked and never mentioned by the media.
(NancyL) ZT: More homeless, in states strapped for funds to feed them, while the Military is being beefed up so the Bush family and cohorts can gain control of Iraq oil, and no one mentiones this in the media.
(NancyL) ZT: Now, given such a mind set in control, WHY would a walk-in occur?
(NancyL) ZT: Those chosing the STS orientation are not strong types, they are the typical bully who is endlessly cruel as long as they are on TOP, but who whimper and plead the moment the tables are turned.
(NancyL) ZT: Cowards, at their base, pandering to their comforts and changing loyalties freely.
(NancyL) ZT: Given the situation where a President, predictably STS at the time Ruth's prediction was made, would be faced with maintaining a public face to a hostile public, what is to be expected?
(NancyL) ZT: This is tense, the public face needing to be empathic yet maintaining the lie, the demands from various STS advisers and handlers in conflict, all demanding cooperation.
(NancyL) ZT: There is no ONE boss in this matter, so dissention is rift, yet grabbing the bottle or snorting cocain is not allowed!
(NancyL) ZT: This type of situation is something a highly STO person could and does frequently tolerate, in order to achieve a mission, but the STS are a different lot.
(NancyL) ZT: They want quick gratification, and go for it, and when these maneuvers don't win, they show their resentment.
(NancyL) ZT: When they present their irritation, this is COUNTER to their handlers demands, as they are expected to pretent they are empathic to the lot of the public.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, this is STRESSFUL on an STS puppet, such as the current President, the Junior Bush, represents.
(NancyL) ZT: Given that the spirit can decide to leave the body, and have a conference with their Spirit Guides on this matter quite OUTSIDE of the awareness of human handlers present, an exit can occur.
(QueenVee) A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is in progress. Moderation mode is on while she does ZetaTalk -- i.e. no one else can post. However, there will be opportunity for follow-up comments and questions afterwards.
(NancyL) ZT: If the body is void of an incarnating spirit, it is open to volunteers, and since the STS spirits would be LOATHE to enter into this situation, painful for an STS spirit, it is an opportunity.
(NancyL) ZT: Whether such an exit and potential walk-in occurs is in the hands of man, or certainly in the spirit incarnated in the Junior Bush and his henchman Chenny, so is not something we care to predict.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Longint) Nancy: There was a misunderstanding about the number of incarnated Starchildren on Earth. Could the Zetas restate this number?
(MikeO) Several books have been published recently with the theme "How liberals are taking away the freedom of Americans." What STS group(s) is coordinating this garbage?
(Zetapal) wow - fascinating - excellent question, who came up with that one?
(Karmie) So are you saying that Clinton is STO?
(Humvee) Could the Zetas expand on what they call the (STO) handlers?
(Tied) the zetas
(NancyL) Long, the last time this was addressed was a month or more ago, and at that time they said numbers increasing, about 1 billion to equal the number of Terran born reincarnating spirits.
(NancyL) So, 6 billion, 1 billion are Earth born reincarnating, 1 billion Star Kids, and 4 billion unsparked or new or whatever.
(QueenVee) ready for next question, Nancy?
(NancyL) MikeO, there are so MANY of them, and often those behind the scenes are not known, so does it matter?
(NancyL) Karmie, Clinton leaned in that direction, but was undecided.
(NancyL) Hunvee, did I say STO handlers? Was saying STS handlers of Bush, did I misstate?
(QueenVee) no, Nancy, you didn't
(QueenVee) i think Humvee mistated
(NancyL) Long, I have lost the Q I accepted from you last week, so for the #zetatalk please repeat it then in the log :-).
(NancyL) Few people think that Bush Jr is anything but a puppet of more powerful. HItler was a puppet, NOT the leader at all.
(NancyL) I'm ready for the next Q, Queen, guess discussion died down.
(QueenVee) NEXT QUESTION:
(QueenVee) PREAMBLE: The Zetas have indicated that "There are entities from Zeta Reticuli who are currently incarnated into human form" and that "being in human form at this time allows these entities to assist, most directly, with the Transformation".
(QueenVee) QUESTION: Could the Zetas comment on HOW such entities are assisting with the Transformation, and in what areas/occupations/countries we are most likely to find them? And are they (and/or those around them) aware of their non-terrestrial origin?
(NancyL) ZT: Star Children, who are entities that were born as spirits on worlds OTHER than the Earth, are from widely varried backgrounds.
(NancyL) ZT: As most emerged on water worlds, this is their base experience, and they tend toward fluid social interactions as a result.
(NancyL) ZT: A water baby can move in more directions that humans are used to, and this is an excape mechanism used.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, entities that were birds in their early existence use flight to escape, in the main, and do NOT stand and fight.
(NancyL) ZT: Of course, both experiences have situation where being trapped, or pressed, to confront occurs.
(NancyL) ZT: The water baby can find itself pressed into a rock crevice, with no where to escape.
(NancyL) ZT: The bird form can find its young under attack, and decide to enter the fray even at cost to itself.
(NancyL) ZT: Reptilian evolution is confrontational, as in hominoids, as the creature is land based and moves relatively slowly.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, fainting is an escape, or a version of fainting, if flight or fight is not determined.
(NancyL) ZT: Beyond the base life form experience, there is the social complexity, where to say that billions of cultures are involved in the Universe to which the Earth is a part is an understatement.
(NancyL) ZT: Of the billion of so incarnated Star Children on Earth at this time, assisting with the Transformation and Awakening, it would be fair to say that a least a million different backgrounds, including base lifeform and cultures, is represented.
(NancyL) ZT: There is a LOT of difference of opinion on how to proceed, and a LOT of difference in what tasks are accepted.
(NancyL) ZT: Some prefer to be in the background, in a support capacity.
(NancyL) ZT: Some have specialties, and will only function in those, checking OUT to fall to the side on matters if the setting is not just right.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, for us to try to make statements as to WHAT tasks a Star Child might assume, would be impossibile, they are too varied!
(NancyL) ZT: They are likely to be the garbage man as a CEO, a cripled child as an athlete, and poorly socialized and isolated as charming.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter, followup?
(Longint) Ok, the channel was muted so I couldn't reply. The reason I asked the Q about the number was this, in v70.htm:
(Longint) Incarnated Star Children are not considered by us to be contactees, they are themselves visitors. Their number ranges, depending upon walk-in status, between several hundred thousand upwards toward a million.
(Okidok) maybe there are zetas incarnated into human form in this forum?
(Franci66) Nancy, What is the difference between a sparked and unsparked soul?
(Phoenix) Have the souls of some Star Children had life experiences on multiple worlds?
(MikeO) Whenever I see a picture of Eminem, I think "Unsparked entity" -- puppet of the STS music industry.
(Bailey) can one opt out, choose to cease to exsist?
(M) so, Nancy, foregive me if this sounds like a strange thing to state, but do you consider yourself a StarChild, being that what you have done is assisting in the with the transformation and awakening?
(Zombryo) Let's say we have a survival group, composed solely of STO individuals. These people are still HUMANS, and being so, feel laziness, are by nature aggressive, deal with conflicts due to disparity of age, cling to religions, have preconceptions, and sometimes make decisions simpetuously, in particular if they don't know each other quite well yet. The Zetas have been spoken quite few about the regulations of THEIR society ("O
(Zombryo) rules are a whole other question, which would be extensive to answer." - o01.htm) considering that we are close to the time, wouldn't it be good for us to know a bit more about what proper guidelines can be applied in a community of STO people, for the benefit of a more EFFECTIVE working, for everyone's advance? Or are we to figure these out by ourself?
(NancyL) Long, V70 was written when? They have stepped up their pace in becoming walk-ins, etc, and I persoanlly know of a situation where this occurred.
(Longint) 1998. november
(Longint) Ok then..
(NancyL) Times get tense, a body has an unsparked soul, EMPTY, and an entity wants to walk-in. Empty room, so why not?
(MadHatter) Are Star Children and Indigo Children the same?
(NancyL) Bailey, a Star Child can leave the body, leaving an empty body, I'm sure yes.
(NancyL) M, I'm Terran born, and young, no Star Child.
(Obany) MadHatter: well i think some use that term indigo children ... to explain those who are starchildren
(JoeyB) NancyL: Would you say the Zetas make up a good percentage of incarnated star kids?
(NancyL) ZT to Zom: STO communities, and their interactions are something we have described in an attempt to give humans an understanding.
(NancyL) ZT: We have described how we operate "without money" the title of the piece, for instance, replacing concern and communication for financial transations.
(NancyL) ZT: Humans, confused about WHO and WHAT is STO, assume many people and actions to be thus when it is NOT.
(NancyL) ZT: An example might be a vain person, who spends time on their appearance and is distressed by being dirty or unkempt.
(NancyL) ZT: Is this STO or STS? Depends. Given a choice of completing an obligation, putting the self in distress to help others who NEED that help, the STO vain person would show their colors.
(NancyL) ZT: If leaning toward STS, or undecided, this person might turn their back on others in need to keep themselves prim, or vacilate.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, vanity, or laziness, or argumentativeness, or combativeness, or intellectual flights, or a tendency to hoard, or a tendency to check out when matters get tense, NONE of these are in and of themselves exempt from being part of an STO entities behavior.
(NancyL) ZT: One must see the STO person in a situation where they must CHOSE, or CHANGE their behavior, to assist others, or NOT.
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that actions are more important than words, that words do NOT indicate orientation, but what the person does when a conflict occurs.
(NancyL) ZT: These conflict situations must be where the person will potentially LOSE for themselves, lose their life, their possession, their stature, their health, whatever.
(NancyL) ZT: It is THEN that you see the nature of the person, when put to this test.
(NancyL) ZT: Someone may be considered lazy, but this in effect a difference of opinion on what NEEDS to be done.
(NancyL) ZT: Must the house be all that clean, the ground trimmed, the car washed, or can life go on just as well with these tasks undone?
(NancyL) ZT: Someone may be considered unsocial, preferring to isolate themselves rather than interact in endless chatter, but is this a sign that they are not STO?
(NancyL) ZT: Should the situation be that communication and interaction is NEEDED, in order to save the group from distress, the unsocial and uncommunicative one is suddenly a chatterbox!
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, is it not possible to give humans, who in the main ARE undecided, guidelines to determine who is STO and who is not, nor to advise thus on social structure for a survival groups whom one hopes will be essentially STO.
(NancyL) ZT: These matters will sort out quickly when the shift occurs, with the true colors of humans on display, often a SHOCK to those who assumed otherwise.
(NancyL) ZT: Wait and see, and be prepared to make changes if need be, at that time.
(NancyL) End ZT on this matter and you know, its the end of the hour too!
(QueenVee) Wow. Great information.
(Thunderoc) so is the 50% rule of careing for others then subject to interpretation?... how is this judgement made and by whom?... and so when a person 'loses'... is it safe to assume the 'nice guys finish last... thus end up STO?.. agai... how is this 'final' judgement made?
(QueenVee) Unfortunately, that's the hour, so Nancy has to go. Another great session, Nancy. Thank you!
(Obany) good answer Nancy
(Longint) This was a great session
(ChiefSimi) Does a walked-in starchild soul recognize that it was not in there before?
(PegasiTristan) yes, it was
(GalacticExplorer) Thanks Nancy
(NancyL) Very much the soul, this session.
(M) yes thanks NANCYL!!!!!
(Bailey) thank you Nancy, facinating food for thought once again
(Domicile) Thanks Nancy and Z's
(Zetapal) wow - amazing session - thanks Nancy
(QueenVee) Nancy's ZetaTalk Session in this channel has now ended. She will conduct a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel in approximately 25 minutes. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter: /join #zetatalk
(DonMB) Nancy: Why has there been no posted analysis of the Jan18 images of Planet X? Did they miss the target?
(NancyL) ZT to Chief: The human incarnated by a walk-in feels different, recognizes that something has changed, but often ascribes this to some recent occurence, like an accident or illness.
(NancyL) End ZT to Chief.
(NancyL) DomMB, because we've all been busy, and this should be up tomorrow.
(Thunderoc) Nancy... Is it possible to convert the Px pictures to JPEG format so that all can view on the website?
(NancyL) In fact, Jan 18th had a full mooon, and is not the best images to look at.
(SteveH) New images were taken last night as well, 3x1200sec exposures
(NancyL) However, there is a NEW set yet, Jan 25th, (phew)
(DawnnaLee) Thanks Nancy... Great Session..
(SteveH) much better resolution than the Jan 18 images, moon not out
(Obany) this was a good session hope that the next one will be just as good
(Thunderoc) Steve Is it possibe to convert the Px images to JPEG format so that all can view on the website?
(ChiefSimi) interesting session indeed, and no politics! :)
(DonMB) Can't wait to see them
(NancyL) Ah, Steve :-). And we dealt with the asteroid issue, the team determining that Cunningham's object A is indeed 2001 KS14.
(Mamakatt) thanks Nancy and QueenVee great session
(NancyL) Astronomical Dummy, Nancy overridden :-).
(Tekk) SteveH: is PX any bigger in the latest pics?
(QueenVee) NancyL: get ready for the assholes; they're already warming up in there....
(NancyL) Bye all, going to break for the next #zetatalk session.
(GalacticExplorer) Bye Nancy
Session Close: Sat Jan 25 15:37:08 2003