Session Start: Sat Nov 16 16:00:28 2002
(Jesus) The logs are edited
(NancyL) Hello all, I have no agenda and will be collecting one.
(Dufus) Hang in there terror!!!
(Wilson80854) Is it really u?
(Zetapal) And no one could be the judge better than yourself ey? Terror :)
(Sfinx) :-) Hi zetans wicked....
(Ws6) The log of the first session is available on my site now.
(Endeavour3d) Wow, she usually doesn't come in until late
(TerrorDactyl) Well I just say what I feel, I don't care if it offends, because I always say it respectfully
(Wilson80854) So nancy, what is the chance that Nibiru will return next year?
(Wilson80854) Still coming next year?
(Endeavour3d) lmao, there are more people in PSD than here, that's a first!
(NancyL) ANNOUNCEMENT: New Nov 11 images collected by Steve, who has returned from Bali after a 3 week vacation with his girlfriend, scuba diving, and other such useful skills for a Vancouver resident (soon to be tropical coastliner) to learn.
(Obany) Ws6: of course Sapphire
(Endeavour3d) God why do these people come here?
(Bailey) Lol Nancy
(BoZack) o00oo00oo ARE THEY POSTED!!?
(Cmel) Heavy storm in Austria yesterday, was that related to the shift or was it just on of those freak storms that occur once in a while ?
(NancyL) He has re-entered Earth's atmosphere, and is adjusting, but JWilliam and I ran the analysis this time in his absense.
(Wilson80854) Is Nibiru easily seen with a telescope now ?
(NancyL) The New images show Planet X moving, spot on where it should be between Nov 6 and 15th coordinate spots, and getting brighter!
(Bailey) Well that sums up the good and the bad news all in one
(Endeavour3d) I wish someone would circle the spot, there's like 5 spots in that red box
(BoZack) Sweet! Geez, Damn Toronto is too damn cloudy...Gonna have to drive up north
(NancyL) Where in past, 9/21 10/4/ 10/11 the white persona only showed up in a couple frames, but made it through to the summary (which shows it was on each frame to some degree), it is not on ALL the individual frames.
(NancyL) Where in the past, the red persona was to the left a bit and below the white, due to red light bending, it is now a bit above and to the right.
(Wilson80854) Nancy for a while I live in phoenix arizona...and I think the sky looks red at night time a little bit
(Jean-Marie) Hi, Zetas describe in detail the last moments before the shift. What about the first hours after the shift, when is it safe to come out of shelter, what to do first, ...
(Cmel) Nice Q jean
(NancyL) This is because Arizona is now closer to the winter solstice, and given the time of night the shots are taken, the red light is rising UP toward the core, not down.
(NancyL) Pixel brightness analysis and info from Steve on what direction he was looking when he took the shots to be forthcoming.
(Wilson80854) Is it kinda like a red laser beam almost
(Wilson80854) U cant see it fromt the sides... only direct on?
(NancyL) However, we have lots of images out on the web, at http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
(Wilson80854) For the best picture...due to red light bending?
(BoZack) Where can the captured images be viewed?!
(BoZack) Cool thanx
(N18) Q: Is px magnitude of 2.0 was made as part of the "Element of Doubt" rule? This is for others, I already know the answer.
(NancyL) Silly Q's like Wilson's re "chances it will return in 2003" will be ignored.
(SteveH) Nancy, I send you some more bitmap images later on with the areas lightened up a bit so it can be seen more easily
(Jeremy) Nancy: Some critics of ZT have asked how PX can move so quickly towards the solar system when other bodies such as asteroids appear to move at much more sedate speeds when coming in. Can the Zetas explain why PX attains such high speed, other than the exponential increase explanation??
(NancyL) ZetaTalk is a serious site, is no fooling, and the Q answers itself.
(AGreenspan) Every now and then, you seem to be testing our listening skills.. to save us from a collective "F"... Why would highly STS entities find third density environment too restrictive thus favor fourth, while others of same orientation prefer the opposite? - Thank you.
(Spanky) The last page without banner ads :)
(SteveH) Jeremy, check existing ZT, already explained
(BoZack) Thanks Steve!
(NancyL) CMel, storm Q answers in PSD so look for that log tomorrow.
(Wilson80854) Well what about Zacheria Sitchin saying that he says no to 2003?
(NancyL) Wilson, please DO read as you are going to be ignored.
(Cmel) NancyL : Jean-Marie asked a nice Q
(Gwilra) Hi +Zetas, could you comment on the super large - Giant Crystals, room size - found in Mexico around early 2000? Are they natural, or put there to achieve some purpose?
(Jeremy) SteveH: So then would an asteroid moving towards our sun from the same spot as PX mid dithering point attain the same speed?
(Wilson80854) Im sorry Nancy, Im just really into this, Ive been for the last few years, and I have a lot of knowledge on it
(NancyL) Endeavor, check all the pages, and do our own comparisons, I spent 10 hours straight today doing that, so YOU do it!
(Wilson80854) Thats all
(Sfinx) :-) It is not .... image ....but is there a disc under the Sfinx????????
(Obany) Wilson80854: http://www.zetatalk.com/index/px2003.htm Sitchin is mention on that age also
(Spanky) About crystals: is it the 12th planet aliens who used the crystals or 4th density aliens. I don't think 4d aliens would need anything that huge.
(NancyL) Jean-Marie, yes, first hours will be important, but this is so individual and up to YOU.
(NancyL) If in a group that was expecting all this, just kind of let the shock pass, if in a group that was not ... what do you do after a tornaod?
(JustListening) PSD is poleshiftdiscussion channel
(NancyL) Jean-Marie's Q accepted as Q1 however re anger at government types of reactions in others, etc.
(Wilson80854) Im afraid of the volconoes going off.... in the Cascades and possibly Yellowstone national park
(BoZack) Nancy, is the new Mars prediction sort of a cover up for Px?? - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=96&e=1&u=/space/20021108/sc_space/mars_to_get_closer_than_ever_in_recorded_history_in_2003
(Wilson80854) There ARE ruins on Mars
(Jeremy) Bo-Zack: It has been known for years that Mars will get close in 2003
(NancyL) Gwil, Q on chrystals declined as they DO occur natually, and all others manmade were removed with the 12th Planet guys.
(Wilson80854) Ive been believing that Mars was a moon of Nibiru which crashed into the earth, as Taimat, around arizona...helping create the grand canyon and cutting out the pacific ocean plate
(NancyL) OK, hour is here, so doing Q1...
(NancyL) 1. Zetas describe in detail the last moments before the shift. What about the first hours after the shift, when is it safe to come out of shelter, what to do first, ...
(NancyL) ZT: Throughout the world, survivors of the shift will react in different ways, depending upon their level of prior knowledge and their personality.
(NancyL) ZT: Look about you to the survivors of sudden storms, tornadoes or lightning stikes. These individuals are devastated and basically in shock.
(NancyL) ZT: They understand that something unexpected has occurred, and they have lost loved ones, lost possessions, perhaps themselves are injured so life as they remembered it can never return, and are grieving.
(NancyL) ZT: If the result of an expected catastrophy, like an approaching hurricane where they boarded up windows and tied down all that might blow away, the survivors might be angry at themselves for lack of proper preparation, or angry at the gods for delivering the storm, or angry at the authorities for not issuing an earlier warning, or angry at the insurance companies for not replacing lost goods, but anger is the mode.
(NancyL) ZT: Now add to this the additional devastation of NO helping hands arriving, and even those simply grieving at the loss will become angry.
(NancyL) ZT: If the survivors were expecting the shift, were in what they considered a safe place and all supplies and loved ones tied down and out of the wind and water surges, there will still be anger.
(NancyL) ZT: Even had they convinced themselves that they understood this to be a normal astrophycial occurence, and prepared for it, anger is a normal reaction to loss, or assault.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, survivors, even in camps where all were mentally prepared, will be angry, red faced, and wanting to explode on some excuse of another.
(NancyL) ZT: What to do with all that anger? Direct it into activity, productive activity.
(NancyL) ZT: Nature, for survival, has engineered into the human animal flight or fight, and you can expect YOUR human animals to want to do one or the other.
(NancyL) ZT: There are those that will run, hysterical, trying to escape the devastation and only returning when their energy has exhausted itself and they are again calm.
(NancyL) ZT: There are those that will want to fight, SOMETHING, and will take this emotion out on the group unless directed elsewhere.
(NancyL) ZT: In cases such as this, a quick directive to SAVE this or that supply, to SAVE this or that child about to bleed to death, to RUSH to anther camp to find out how they faired, will direct this energy into ACTION, the purpose of the fight or flight emotion.
(NancyL) ZT: Those with a calm head, and those about them who may need to take over in case the calm head is not so calm as expected, after the shift, should be prepared with this list and bark orders, promptly.
(NancyL) ZT: Do not wait until fighting among the group breaks out, bickering, explosion, and the need to mend fences afterwards.
(NancyL) ZT: Be prepared in the first minutes after the shift, when survivors are emerging and dusting themselves off, red faced and looking for the enemy.
(NancyL) End ZT followup?
(BobS) Good quesion!
(Jean-Marie) Thank you
(Tied2) Some useful info
(Mike-O) That's some of the best advice I've heard from the Zetas yet. Freaken' brilliant.
(Cmel) Nice usefull stuff
(EcclesP) Will the winds and rains die down soon after the Pole Shift to allow visiting neighbor camps, first aid, etc.?
(Spanky) If the neighbor camp does not know you, you will probably be shot and robbed.
(NancyL) Bo-Zack, yes, Mars as coverup is discussed in PDS prior, read the log.
(Jeremy) Nancy: Is the Zetas practical advice on this subject what might be considered 'common sense', or is it unlikely to be practiced by most survivors?
(Obany) Spanky : I think that would depend on the type of people in the neighbor camp also
(BoZack) Thank you! :D
(NancyL) Eccle, the Z's have explained that the winds die down within an hour, yes, quickly.
(Wilson80854) Ok thats good news
(Spanky) At first, the people will be just who happened to be nearby. It will take years to seperate according to personality
(LadyInRed) Yes very good news
(NancyL) Q2, posted earlier in the log ...
(Starstalker) Nancy, will the Zetas please comment as to whether Yellowstone as a "super volcano" will blow with the rest of the volcanoes during poleshift?
(NancyL) Q2: Is px magnitude of 2.0 was made as part of the "Element of Doubt" rule? This is for others, I already know the answer.
(NancyL) ZT: Early in ZetaTalk, there was high alarm that we, the Zetas, were out there in the world telling ALL, telling the truth, and gripping the public with the scope and depth of Nancy's postings that we were fast gaining international aclaim.
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated before, that depending upon the success of ZetaTalk, as perceived by the establishement, push-back occurs.
(NancyL) ZT: If Nancy is viewed as being perceived as accurate, believable, then a hundred times more disinfo sites and agents would be sent forth to counter this than have actually been dispatched.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, it is a clever maneuver, on our part, and with Nancy's cooperation, to do a Columbo, act befuddled, appear to make a slip, on occasion.
(NancyL) ZT: These slips are carefully placed so as to placate the establishment, but not confuse the readership who is reading with BROAD interest, and looking at the overall trends.
(NancyL) ZT: The establishement is in general either wealthy, used to wielding power only because of their wealth, or those in power who rely on the wealthy.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, for an aging woman, who has worked all her life and must work to eat on a weekly basis, to have an IMPACT in the world is inconcievable to them
(NancyL) ZT: Early in the game the Hale-Bopp ploy was used, and in truth Nancy was under the impression until late in the game that there WAS no comet!
(NancyL) ZT: Our words, as recorded by Nancy, however, told a different story.
(NancyL) ZT: We relayed that Hale-Bopp in 1995, within a month after Hale-Bopp was announced, was NOT a comet, but a nova, and the ESO confirmed this in the Fall of 1995.
(NancyL) ZT: After that, as JPL and NASA dotted an orbit across the sky, where NO comet was tracking, to meet the plotted orbit of a REAL comet the NEAT program that watches dark asteroids had detected, we reported these orbit aberations.
(NancyL) ZT: The orbit of Hale-Bopp plotted by JPL leap AWAY from Jupiter upon passage, perturbed AWAY, and all of this per reports by JPL of actual and recent sightings!
(NancyL) ZTL The group wanting to have the public look in the OPPOSITE direction of Orion was placated, however, as Nancy steadfastly maintained, in NancyTalk, that there was no Hale-Bopp comet.
(NancyL) ZT: Then in 1996, we slipped in a warning in ZetaTalk that they were lining the false/fake orbit up with the orbit of a REAL comet, and when this emerged in 1997, WE, the Zetas, were not wrong.
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy was a bit miffed at having been used in this manner, but the benefit soon dawned upon her.
(NancyL) ZT: In like manner, in the early days of Planet X sightings, we laid out trip points to placate the establishement.
(NancyL) ZT: It was a Mag 2, and at the time when ZetaTalk was building international acclaim due to its utter accuracy on all other issues, THIS simple point placated NASA and the arrogant elite.
(NancyL) ZT: And how would Nancy and ZetaTalk ever recover from this? They presumed this a fatal error.
(NancyL) ZT: When the sightings began in early 2001, this was the cry, the Magnitude issue, and our explanations that OUR eyes could see it and OUR equipment register it as a Mag 2 deemed inadequate.
(NancyL) ZT: However, like a giant mushroom growing in the dark, ZetaTalk grew, internationally, and in the underground of the Internet.
(NancyL) ZT: Nancy's appearances on radio or TV or in articles were considered no more threatening than other New Age claimants, but the readership caught the truth and relevance of our words and checked into the web site.
(NancyL) ZT: Even Nancy's poverty level is a ploy, though REAL, in that the Hazlewood plot was to assocate Nancy with money scams, which she avoided by working and being broke, as she has been most of her life.
(NancyL) ZT: The establishment was placated at their loss of taking her down in this manner because she was BROKE, and struggling, and none of them could immagine having an impact in the world from such a position.
(NancyL) ZT: Now, going into the final months, the establishment will be so overwhelmed that they care not, will go into increasing isolation, into their bunkers, at least into a bunker mentality, and Nancy and ZetaTalk the least of their worries.
(NancyL) End ZT on this issue, followup?
(TerrorDactyl) So which bits of your 100 per cent accuracy record are purposeful mistakes?? Is May 2003 a clever maneuver on your part too? Wait til sci.astro get their hands on this, you've dug your own grave Nancy
(NancyL) Terror, May 2003 is not a ploy, no.
(DaWeasel) Why donīt zetas show up in public to tell people about this
(TerrorDactyl) They are gonna tear you up after that
(NancyL) Little embarrassment, NOT key/core issues.
(BlindFaith) So, how do we know the Zetas aren't lying about the whole premise of Planet X, if they lied intentionally in the past?
(BoZack) Are there going to be any furute media appearances Nancy?
(Spanky) Weren't you a computer professional with a Masters Degree?
(NancyL) Weasel, read the Awakening section, and Rules, page by page. You've not done your homework.
(SteveH) The clever Zeta's, always thinking several steps ahead!
(JWilliam) Always ;o)
(BlindFaith) Sounds more like hindsight to me SteveH
(NancyL) Terror, I think you threat is ill timed :-) Now is it being imaged, by amateur equipment, and inbound, so no DOUBT.
(TerrorDactyl) Seriously though, you expect right minded people to follow that as a reason for your mistakes??
(BoZack) You have to concider the big picture when talking about "lying" of course they were htinking of the outcome and most importantly, the others
(Domicile) I agree, good foresight.
(BoZack) Very clever
(Seeker) Sounds more like she just shot herself in the foot to me
(EcclesP) Going into the final months, is there anything the 30 people in this chat room can do proactively to help other than our immediate families?
(NancyL) BlindFaith, please read ZT and perceive the mission. Do you know what a white lie is?
(TerrorDactyl) She has just shot herself
(BlindFaith) Yes, it's a lie
(Obany) TerrorDactyl: leave that out of the channel now.. if you want to discuss then go to #troubled_times
(NancyL) White lie is NOT failing to tell someone that a truck is about to run them over.
(NancyL) Its failing to tell, or lying about, the candy bar you ate.
(Guest) So will the mainstream media at least discuss the zeta talk claims in public soon?
(Seeker) So honesty is negotiable?
(Mansur) Nancy, when will I see X with my 10*50 binoculars?
(BlindFaith) So, the end justify's the means?
(Dufus) Getting rather complicated here
(NancyL) Seeker, go off and life your life happily then! Just don't clutter up these chats, nor come around when the quakes take down your city, imploding cities, and say "oh, so sorry, Nancy.
(N18) NancyL: I also thought that they wanted sci.astro to believe gradually in the aliens presense...
(TerrorDactyl) Any other predictions that are clever manuevers by the zetas we need to know about?
(Jeremy) Mansur: Not until March at least I would estimate, just before naked eye visibility commences
(BlindFaith) Yes, please tell us now, beforeit's too late
(Ws6) Starbursts perhaps?
(Seeker) I hardly think I'll ever apologize to you Nancy.. I believe it's you who owes a great many people an apology
(Spanky) But if their accuracy rate was higher people like BUSH would start paying more attention...
(BoZack) Will the government admint the Alien Presence and communication before the shift?
(NancyL) Guest, this is in the hands of man, so no telling, re mainstream media.
(SteveH) I never got hung up on the magnitude 2 issue because they said it was how they saw it from their eyes, so no comparison to human measurement
(Cmel) Now what kind of regional questions do you plan to answer next saturday ??
(Obany) Sapphire: yeah you just want an answer ... I knoe
(BoZack) Exactly, totally diferent point of view and perception
(TerrorDactyl) SteveH - that is the biggest climb down I have ever heard
(Obany) Cmel: that is not for this channel
(NancyL) We did get into the Boston Globe, though debunked, but you know, the public has to wonder WHY the bludgening!
(Mansur) SteveH, what a BS
(BlindFaith) So Steve, what you saw was approximately mag 20?
(BlindFaith) The Zeta said you saw it
(Cmel) WHAT OBANY
(Z) OBANY is blocked from skepticalmind
(Seeker) SteveH: they said amateurs would be able to see it with THEIR own equipment
(TerrorDactyl) What mag is it through the eyes of a fish?
(Spanky) ZT has never been on Slashdot.org, though
(NancyL) Terror, if the time for maneuvers were not past, then this explanation would NOT have been put down for you to read!
(SteveH) I never said what magnitude my sighting was, wouldn't no where to begin to estimate that
(JWilliam) Terror Blind Seeker Mansur. You've shot your bolt and the jig is up.
(NancyL) Duh! You don't explain the card game and how you won if the game is still in process!
(Tied2) Seeker Many mny
(BlindFaith) Well, you saw it right?
(BlindFaith) And it's roughly mag 18-20 now
(BoZack) Lol, good analogy
(NancyL) CMel, just deal with the competent QueenVee re regional Q's.
(SteveH) Apparently, yes
(Cmel) Ok NL
(Norman) Hello, just arrived. Is there any news regarding Px sighting from Steve ?
(TerrorDactyl) Mag 2, through the eyes of a zeta - now that is just plain funny
(BoZack) Nancy: Will the government admint the Alien Presence and communication before the shift?
(Mansur) Dell, why don+t you answer question on sci.astro anymore?
(NancyL) SteveH has inner knowledge, I suspect :-)
(BlindFaith) So, you saw a mag 20 object in a 19" scope?
(Cmel) Will do. Hehe
(JWilliam) Mansur: The pictures answer it for me
(LadyInRed) Nancy is Enigma the the same as PlanetX ?
(Starstalker) Nancy, will the Zetas please comment as to whether Yellowstone as a "super volcano" will blow with the rest of the volcanoes during poleshift?
(NancyL) Apparently, in 2001 when eyeball sightings took place, it was termed a Mag 11.
(SteveH) I reported what I saw, how I saw and did not give magnitude. The Z's confirmed I saw it
(BlindFaith) Then why is it dimmer now Nancy?
(Tied2) Seeker many many people have bigger and better scopes than a 12" these days a 18 and 20" is what the serious amateur are using so what Steve is using isn't all that powerful
(NancyL) Then in 2002 when infrared imaging, neighboring stars were termed on sci.astroiste as Mag 20.
(TerrorDactyl) You know, nutcases always trip themselves up eventually
(Beam) Nancy: can you ask the Zetans to do a great poweroutage?
(Jeremy) Nancy: I should just mention, did you know there was another shuttle technical failure earlier in the week. An unexplained oxygen leak in the crew cabin, that delayed the launch by another week.
(JWilliam) Well said Terror, you have.
(Cmel) SteveH don't argue with them
(Obany) Beam: don't ask stupid questions
(NancyL) But there is a DIFFERENCE in what the eye sees, what equipment records, etc. So we stopped talking Mag at all and just said "amateur equipment".
(Cmel) Later ppl
(Domicile) Nancy, would the Zeta's allow someone to photograph one of them to post on the internet?
(Cmel) Will be in other channels
(BoZack) Lol Domicile
(Obany) Domicile: the same thing
(BlindFaith) Apparent magnitude is what we're discussing Nancy
(NancyL) Q3 from StarStalker re Yellowstone accepted ...
(NancyL) Q3: Nancy, will the Zetas please comment as to whether Yellowstone as a "super volcano" will blow with the rest of the volcanoes during poleshift?
(Seeker) Tied2: irrelevant.. zetas said WE would see it
(NancyL) ZT: We have stated that all volcanoes active within the last 10,000 years can be considered candidates to blow, or ooze during the shift.
(NancyL) ZT: During every pole shift, there are places on Earth where the earth is stretched, like the Altantic, such that mountain ranges such as the Apalachians have not experienced mountain building and scarsely any rock outcropping are bare.
(Obany) !kick blindfaith don't make it a second sci.astro over here
(NancyL) ZT: Places like the Hymalayas are subducting, so that rock layers are being laid UNDER one another, and protection from the lava occurs.
(NancyL) ZT: Haiwaii, likewise, is expected to do better than one would think, because the compression of the Pacific will LAYER rock stratas and protect the oozing volcanoes from roiling lava.
(NancyL) ZT: In New Zealand, where that edge of the plate will tip UP, it will be some protection from exploding volcanoes as the pressure will be relieved.
(NancyL) ZT: Likewise, where there is a stretch, as Iceland will experience, there will be continued oozing, but explosions caused by lava under pressure unlikely to happen.
(NancyL) ZT: Inland caulderas, like Yellowstone, have their basis in pressure that has a LONG route to climb before heating the surface.
(NancyL) ZT: During the shift, the fact that they are and have been an outlet for pressure competes with what is occurring in the rock stratas.
(NancyL) ZT: What comes first, for Yellowstone, will NOT be the rock stratas thickening, as during the start of the shift the Atlantic is stretched, the plates on the move, and the core roiling.
(NancyL) ZT: Thus, there WILL be explosions, though not violent, of lava, from volanoes however active along the Sierras and Andes.
(NancyL) ZT: The later part of the hour sees rock stratas pushed under the West Coast of the Americas, shutting off access of lava from those volcanoes, which should speed the easing but not prevent the explosion in the first place.
(NancyL) ZT: In areas under stretch in Europe and the Middle East, likewise, the roiling will cause oozing and where volcanoes are already open to the air, an outlet established, such as in Italy, they will CONTINUE during the early part of the shift to explode and ooze.
(NancyL) ZT: One must, thus, analyse the past of local volcanoes or caulderas, to gauge their actions during the shift.
(NancyL) End Zt and end of hour!
(NancyL) I'm going for Chinese!
(EcclesP) Are Edgar Cayce's indicator volcanoes - Etna, Vesuvius, then Pelee or Kilauea - valid precursors to quakes and the flooding of California, Nevada and Utah in the following three months?
(QueenVee) Enjoy nancy!
(Starstalker) Thanks, Nancy and Zetas. Enjoy.
(NancyL) Didn't even get dressed today, up at 4 AM doing the Nov 11 image analysis.
(Bailey) Sound like the 7 hills of Rome may be in for a bye bye
(NancyL) Steve! We are SO happy you're back, and JWilliam! We see you can step into the fray and FIND those accurate candidates! Congrads to you both!!
(Mansur) Bye Nency, BIG hug :)
(Torbj) Rome... is where the Popes live!
(SteveH) Thanks for the ZT today!
(JustListening) THANLKS FOR WORKING SO HARD NANCY
(Mansur) Love you
(Jeremy) Bye Nancy, calm session tonight
(Amed) Wait, why are we trying to see it in the telescope again?
(NancyL) Bye all! Stay out of brick buildings and out of the cities, the times are not safe!
(Amed) What is the purpose of viewing it in the night sky?
(Gwilra) Gracias N. L.
Session Close: Sat Nov 16 17:05:08 2002